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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 06:07 AM
A sincere advise to those buying gold in INR : You may invest say 10L of gold, of which you will get 8L worth of metal. This will end up becoming 6L by 2025 .. Start investing in well managed firms that are in line with the directions given out by the govt. You will be rewarded handsomely. With new SEBI directive, it increases the stability and you can be less concerned about FII outflows..
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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 06:11 AM
SEBI directive was well in play which should continue today as well. Expect profit booking by thursday / Friday. FII F&O Stats As on 10 JULY'17(in crs) Net BUY : + 3751 Index Future : - 1000 Index Option : + 2287 [B]Stock Future : + 2148[/B] Stock Option : + 316
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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 06:27 AM
Despite what happened yesterday put call ratio on Nifty increased to 1.36 .. SEBI indicated 40,000 crore of positions on Friday evening. At the time put call ratio was 1.26 & Monday saw only 2148 crores being covered up . Even if 10,000 crores are exposed as naked positions in total, you still got another 5 times to go !!! New puts WILL be forced to cover up. Expect 10,000 shortly on the Nifty ... [U][B]DO NOT SHORT THIS MARKET AT THIS STAGE[/B][/U]
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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 06:55 AM
[QUOTE=neokewl;n2532483]SEBI directive was well in play which should continue today as well. Expect profit booking by thursday / Friday. FII F&O Stats As on 10 JULY'17(in crs) Net BUY : + 3751 Index Future : - 1000 Index Option : + 2287 [B]Stock Future : + 2148[/B] Stock Option : + 316[/QUOTE] Index futures was reduced .. Coupled with low volumes yesterday [U][B]this is an indicator for a big correction ONLY AFTER covering up is done. [/B][/U] [U][B]LONG TERM investors / BUY AND HOLD INVESTORS: TREAD CAREFULLY.[/B][/U]
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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 06:58 AM
[QUOTE=neokewl;n2532483]SEBI directive was well in play which should continue today as well. Expect profit booking by thursday / Friday. FII F&O Stats As on 10 JULY'17(in crs) Net BUY : + 3751 Index Future : - 1000 Index Option : + 2287 [B]Stock Future : + 2148[/B] Stock Option : + 316[/QUOTE] Index future holdings reduced & low volumes yesterday. [U][B]ONCE ALL the SHORT COVERING IS DONE, market will be due for a BIG CORRECTION.[/B][/U] [B]LONG TERM INVESTORS / BUY & HOLD INVESTORS : Tread carefully.[/B]
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Posted by: sumanp6254
On: July 11 2017 08:00 AM
[QUOTE=neokewl;n2532482]A sincere advise to those buying gold in INR : You may invest say 10L of gold, of which you will get 8L worth of metal. This will end up becoming 6L by 2025 .. Start investing in well managed firms that are in line with the directions given out by the govt. You will be rewarded handsomely. With new SEBI directive, it increases the stability and you can be less concerned about FII outflows.. [/QUOTE] Plz dont copy other words without attributes. It makes you unreliable If small banks like AUM finance which listed at 7 times book value, really means markets have gone mad
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Posted by: vaibha4096
On: July 11 2017 08:58 AM
Interesting : [url]http://reports.ambitcapital.com/reports/Ambit_AsiaMoney2017_AmbitOurbiggestmistakesoverthepast12months_11Jul2017.pdf[/url]
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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 10:49 AM
[QUOTE=sumanp6254;n2532504] Plz dont copy other words without attributes. It makes you unreliable If small banks like AUM finance which listed at 7 times book value, really means markets have gone mad[/QUOTE] its Porinju's quote except for timeline .. happy ?
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Posted by: TruthSeeker1
On: July 11 2017 11:20 AM
[QUOTE=neokewl;n2532482]A sincere advise to those buying gold in INR : You may invest say 10L of gold, of which you will get 8L worth of metal. This will end up becoming 6L by 2025 .. Start investing in well managed firms that are in line with the directions given out by the govt. You will be rewarded handsomely. With new SEBI directive, it increases the stability and you can be less concerned about FII outflows.. [/QUOTE] get ready to eat crow... :) already people calling for gold to drop to $300-400 had to eat the humble pie...as we value investors maintained that there was no way gold was going to $300-400.. so this kind of bearish sentiment is in line with my expectation of strong reversal.....
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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 11:43 AM
[QUOTE=TruthSeeker1;n2532587] get ready to eat crow... :) already people calling for gold to drop to $300-400 had to eat the humble pie...as we value investors maintained that there was no way gold was going to $300-400.. so this kind of bearish sentiment is in line with my expectation of strong reversal.....[/QUOTE] Well, there is a reason i don't like gold & its largely my social perspective on it. : it increases poverty in the economy. & those who buy it are contributing to rise in poverty levels. There is a finite amount of gold .. Population has exploded in 50 years. if every human wants physical gold, gold price will rocket,dragging rest of the economy with it as people will put their money mostly in gold. The gold is then kept in lockers.! Money needs to be circulated in economy.. Investment into well managed firms that create jobs is the right way to go. Of course we will have hurdles like robbing from Mallya, Bhushans etc , but this is a regulatory issue. Govt needs to get tough and act tough : this is the missing component..
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Posted by: TruthSeeker1
On: July 11 2017 12:46 PM
[QUOTE=neokewl;n2532594] Well, there is a reason i don't like gold & its largely my social perspective on it. : it increases poverty in the economy. & those who buy it are contributing to rise in poverty levels. There is a finite amount of gold .. Population has exploded in 50 years. if every human wants physical gold, gold price will rocket,dragging rest of the economy with it as people will put their money mostly in gold. The gold is then kept in lockers.! Money needs to be circulated in economy.. Investment into well managed firms that create jobs is the right way to go. Of course we will have hurdles like robbing from Mallya, Bhushans etc , but this is a regulatory issue. Govt needs to get tough and act tough : this is the missing component.. [/QUOTE] your understanding of how the economy works is very superficial..... You first need to read what the current money is.... how it derives it value.. How money used to be for thousands of years before 1970... GOLD/SILVER are money they are savings... Just because they sit in locker does not means they don't contribute to the economy... The GOLD is locker is pledged by some one for a loan to run a business its serves as the best form of collateral because its money... :) in 1991 when India was close to being bankrupt GOLD in locker is what came to the rescue and saved our ass... Read read and read.... learn..unlearn... relearn...
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Posted by: TruthSeeker1
On: July 11 2017 12:49 PM
[QUOTE=revhappy;n2532444] Finally pulled the trigger. Bought into this fund: [URL="https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/admin/buy/factsheet/factsheetSCASCOM.pdf"]https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm...eetSCASCOM.pdf[/URL] Invested 30K SGD(about 15L INR) i.e. 5% of my portfolio. It is a commodities fund, so it has gold, silver, oil and natural gas. All beaten down commodities. This is my first commodities investment. Lets see how this goes :)[/QUOTE] you just bought derivatives not commodities... :) at-least a physically backed ETF would have been better choice
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Posted by: revhappy
On: July 11 2017 12:51 PM
[QUOTE=TruthSeeker1;n2532624] you just bought derivatives not commodities... :)[/QUOTE] You want me to store some 100 barrels of oil, a trunk full of silver and a godown with corn ? :)
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Posted by: Manoj2012
On: July 11 2017 12:54 PM
[QUOTE=revhappy;n2532627] You want me to store some 100 barrels of oil, a trunk full of silver and a godown with corn ? :)[/QUOTE] hire a godown from FCI .... ;)
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Posted by: Manoj2012
On: July 11 2017 12:54 PM
[SIZE=36px][B]Is the Indian Economy Poised for a New Phase of Growth?[/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=16px]The Knowledge@Wharton Published on July 10, 2017 The Indian economy is at a crossroads with major structural reforms underway, such as a unified Goods and Services Tax (GST) that rolled out on July 1 and an Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code that was enacted last year. The GST would dramatically "formalize" the dominant informal sector that drives the bulk of the economy and open it up for credit access. The bankruptcy code will bolster a determined push by India's central bank, the Reserve Bank of India (RBI), to clean up bank balance sheets of non-performing assets (NPAs) and provision sufficient capital buffers. Those and other structural changes would prepare the economy for sustained growth over the long term, according to Viral Acharya, the recently-appointed deputy governor at the Reserve Bank of India (RBI), who was formerly a professor of economics at New York University's Stern School of Business. Additionally, India's equity markets are bracing for a much-awaited uptick in corporate earnings, an increasing flow of new investments from pension funds, provident fund retirement accounts and insurance, and a historical shift in domestic household investments in equities overtaking those by foreign institutional investors. With current stock market earnings multiples at "reasonable" levels, higher corporate earnings and a flush of new money chasing limited equity stock, the stage looks set for Indian stock market indices to triple over the next five years, according to Ridham Desai, managing director and head of India Research at Morgan Stanley. Acharya and Desai discussed the outlook for the Indian economy and its stock markets with hosts Wharton finance professor Jeremy Siegel and Jeremy Schwartz of WisdomTree, and guest Gaurav Sinha of WisdomTree on the Behind the Markets show on Wharton Business Radio on SiriusXM channel 111. [B]Here are select highlights from their discussion:[/B] [B]Fixing the growth drivers:[/B] According to Acharya, it is critical to realize that the Indian economy has "many different drivers of growth" such as private consumption, agricultural output, state-generated output and manufacturing. "It is best to fix the structural conditions for growth, and then when growth comes around, you are ready to capitalize on it in a big way," he said. He listed the GST, the Insolvency and Bankruptcy code, and regulatory reforms governing the real estate sector among those. Acharya acknowledged that those reforms may come with some necessary short-term pain. "It's better to accept slower growth for a short period as long as you are doing the right structural reforms to resurrect that growth to a higher level," he said. "What doesn't work is when you do temporary fixes; you are just putting a Band-Aid on what really needs a deeper reform." Acharya felt the Indian economy is well-placed on other fronts. On the macroeconomic front, he said growth in output is reasonable with respect to inflation levels; the government's balance sheet is "quite austere in terms of maintaining a tight fiscal discipline;" and the central bank's foreign exchange reserves are "quite healthy" relative to imports, external debt and the short-term component of external. "[B]Credit is a lagging indicator[/B]," said Desai. "You start fixing the growth problem and then credit will come back." He also felt that the current distribution of credit — a fifth to the household sector and four-fifths to the corporate sector — would change in favor of the household sector borrowing more. "For example, 300 million new bank accounts have been opened after the new government took over. They are all going to come into the formal credit economy." [B]GST a game-changer: [/B]GST will entail "some temporary hiccups and glitches," but it would work well "as long as the system remains adaptive and focused towards ensuring good execution and delivery down the road," said Acharya. "This is a game changer. The Indian economy and the consumers would be the ultimate beneficiaries of the removal of a large number of taxes and complications that have ridden the system to date." According to Desai, the GST rollout is a mammoth endeavour that overcame huge odds. "Imagine getting the 50 states [in the U.S.] to give up their power to tax goods and services. It would probably take decades to get that done," he said. "A lot of people criticize India for having taken 15 years [to roll out the GST], but with the democratic setup that India has and the consensus that was needed to do this was going to take a lot of time. It is not easy to convince 29 states to give up their power to tax, so this is a very big change." [B]Culture shift in India: [/B]Households in India have historically been reluctant to borrow, and people generally don't use their credit cards other than for convenience, said Desai. "But the 20- and 30-somethings in the country have no hesitation to borrow," he said. "With the culture shift that is happening, households will start leveraging much more in the next five or 10 years, which means our estimates for consumption will be too conservative. A fair bit of future consumption will come into current consumption, and it will be a while before household debt gets to a level that will be worrying — that may be a decade or two from now." "Foreign investors have invested more than $150 billion over the past 15 years," Desai said. "We're forecasting that over the next 10 years, Indian households could invest between $400 billion and $500 billion into equities. Unless it is matched by a huge increase in supply of equity stocks, there will be excess demand for equities in India." [B]Institutionalization of equity savings: [/B]According to Desai, a huge savings pool that didn't exist before is emerging and is headed for the equity markets. The National Pension System and the provident fund have always stuck to debt investments, even though they were allowed to invest in equities. But now with the Modi government mandating them to make small allocations for equity investments on a rising scale, they would become significant forces on the stock markets, he explained. Similarly, the insurance industry is also headed towards more equity investments with an expanding growth in a largely under penetrated market, and the preferred match they find in equity in terms of asset tenures and returns, he said. The third big institutional change occurring is the resurgence of domestic mutual funds with more and more individuals opting for "systematic investment plans," or SIPs, where their investments are automatically deducted from monthly salary checks, said Desai. "The new generation driving those investments has no memory of the scandals of the 1990s and are looking at the equity markets with a fresh pair of eyes," he said. It helps that the equity markets are now generating excess returns over almost every other asset class, he added. Domestic mutual funds in India currently have a combined value of $12 billion to $15 billion over a trailing 12-month basis, and that could easily grow to $50 billion, he added. [B]Could India's stock indices triple in five years?[/B] Share prices on the Indian stock exchanges have been on a slow up-trend for several years now, "grinding higher rather than surging ahead" because "earnings growth has been missing," said Desai. "There's expectation that the growth cycle will turn, but it has not really been delivered." Going forward, Desai noted three trends. One is that the growth cycle is turning, and that it passed its low point last year. Earnings growth would have been higher were it not for the demonetisation exercise, which caused a setback of two quarters, he said. The current growth cycle could see compounded earnings growth of about 20% annually. In the previous cycle between 2003 and 2008, earnings for the benchmark 50-share Nifty index compounded at 39% annually. "Market valuations would grow at a faster rate than the projected 20% earnings growth, because the nature of markets is to get more optimistic as you get more growth behind you," Desai said. "Predictions that the Indian stock market valuations could triple in five years are based on the assumption that it could post an estimated compounded annual growth rate of 24% in share prices, which is not very different from the 20% growth that you get on earnings." [B]Two other factors contributing to a bullish outlook are the "growing likelihood" that current Prime Minister Narendra Modi will win the 2019 general election for a second term; and the structural shift occurring with increased household investments in equities,[/B] said Desai. The biggest risk for Modi not to make it through the 2019 election is that growth falters and joblessness rises, he added. He likened the surge in household investments in equities to the "401 (k) movement" in the U.S. in the 1980s that led to a secular increase in equity savings over the next 15-20 years. Desai's top picks for growth stocks include private sector financial companies and non-banking finance companies; industries focused on discretionary consumption; and technology stocks for their current, low valuations. At the same time, he is not bullish about stocks in the consumer staples industries "because they seem very rich, and a lot of growth is already priced in. [B]Cleaning up NPAs: [/B]The bankruptcy code will be a big step in developing India's corporate bond markets and the resolution of bank loans under stress, said Acharya. It will help clear the debt overhang on bank balance sheets, which has weakened private investment in the affected sectors, thereby aggravating the stress, and slowed bank credit exposure to those sectors, especially among the public-sector banks, he added. On the flip side, some of the dip in credit growth has been substituted by growth in the corporate bond market, while private banks and non-banking financial services companies have stepped up their credit to fill the gap, said Acharya. But there is this lack of investment in substantial parts of the economy, he noted. "The indebtedness of the underlying sectors is the key issue we need to tackle in order to unlock the growth potential that I believe is still there in a very powerful way in the economy," he added. "The worst of the NPA cycle is behind us," said Desai. "With increased economic growth, the NPA problem will also become smaller." [B]Resolving the debt overhang: [/B]According to Acharya, the indebtedness could be resolved only by addressing the so-called "twin balance-sheet problem." One part of that involves a debt reduction for corporations if they are economically viable; if they are not viable, the best option would be to liquidate them under the bankruptcy code, he explained. The second part is to recapitalise banks that would have to take haircuts because of the debt reduction for their stressed corporate borrowers." What we have learned from the global financial crisis is that simply fixing banks is not enough, or simply fixing the asset — as in guaranteeing the corporate debt — may not be enough," he said. "If banks are sitting on thin slivers of capital, they may not have the right and prudential risk-taking appetite." Such recapitalisation of banks could involve consolidations and mergers; divestment of government stakes; some direct government injections of capital; and potentially also re-privatisation of some banks if the government is looking at divestments and re-privatisation as a way of doing this within its current fiscal constraints, said Acharya. Some of those banks "would gracefully shrink over a period of time, or they would gracefully rebuild themselves over a period of time." [B]Transmitting rate cuts:[/B] Although the RBI has in the last two years cut its short-term interest rate by 175 basis points, the pass-through to bank customers hasn't occurred as expected. That is because banks prefer to use the liquidity that comes with lower rates "to evergreen their bad loans," said Acharya, referring to the practice of extending fresh loans to repay earlier loans. Also, they choose to invest their monies in high-yielding securities where they get quick returns instead of advancing loans, stay risk-averse and avoid growth of their loan book, or choose to grow in a narrow groove in terms of incremental business and invest in risk-free instruments such as government securities, he explained. Any "good pass-through" of lower interest rates occurs at private banks or better-capitalized banks, he said. "The pass-through at weaker banks either happens in a bad way (such as ever-greening of bad loans), or it doesn't happen at all." Acharya said the RBI doesn't explicitly nudge banks to pass on the rate cuts to their customers. "I don't think we should micromanage the lending itself," he added. "The right way to do this is to get the system to a point where the underlying stress of assets is at rest." He said the central bank has directed banks to send select aging NPAs to the bankruptcy court in the first round, and that it will be followed by subsequent rounds. "This whole exercise addresses only 25% to 30% of the total NPA problem," he said. "Once we have learned from these resolutions, we could roll out the resolutions on the remaining cases in a suitable way. Perhaps the banks would have themselves gained confidence on this process and they could carry the work forward on their own. We need to take that call in another six to nine months."[/SIZE]
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Posted by: TruthSeeker1
On: July 11 2017 01:13 PM
[QUOTE=revhappy;n2532627] You want me to store some 100 barrels of oil, a trunk full of silver and a godown with corn ? :)[/QUOTE] with that money you will get about pocket sized half kg gold bar...if you bought silver it would all fit in standard bank locker... goldmoney.com they will store it for you in allocated storage..if you don't want to and insist only in electronic form.. they have option of delivery as well... there are ETF like PHYS,PSLV that are allocated trusts... so there are better ways than buying futures with bankwardation and contango risks... coming to storage: there was a spot exchange in India that went bankrupt defrauding investors called NSEL... because they were selling contracts like kappas, cotton etc with nothing backing them along with gold and silver... no one was taking delivery , changing hands was some paper until one day its all came crashing down all all big counter parties defaulted on their promise to deliver.... its was 6000 crore scam... entire exchange just went belly up...many people have been left hanging as they invested in commodities via that exchange... i bought silver on the same exchange trusting it just like you did because you know we don't want to store it blah blah... at the end the only thing that they actually had were gold and silver...every thing else was defaulted on by the exchange .... i was lucky enough to get delivery of my metal which at that time was not a lot... this was the situation of spot market, imagine futures which are by design counterpart contracts with over leveraged big banks playing games of hot potato... SO no one can store Corn / OIL for you that is why you buy stuff you can store easily or have stored easily... GOLD and silver... [url]http://www.livemint.com/Companies/tqpCgjzO75ndjk45SYnm3I/NSEL-scam-CBI-accuses-Jignesh-Shah-of-cheating-criminal-co.html[/url] so what i am saying is based on sound experience...
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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 02:03 PM
[QUOTE=TruthSeeker1;n2532621] your understanding of how the economy works is very superficial..... You first need to read what the current money is.... how it derives it value.. How money used to be for thousands of years before 1970... GOLD/SILVER are money they are savings... Just because they sit in locker does not means they don't contribute to the economy... The GOLD is locker is pledged by some one for a loan to run a business its serves as the best form of collateral because its money... :) in 1991 when India was close to being bankrupt GOLD in locker is what came to the rescue and saved our ass... Read read and read.... learn..unlearn... relearn... [/QUOTE] what was population of the world "thousands of years back" ? You simply refuse elementary math. What will save a country in today's over populated world is its skilled labor. Keep producing stuff & innovating across sectors .. The country's govt has an additional responsibility of keeping the deficit in check. IF the country manages 1 unit of GDP to be purchased by 1 unit of currency, they nail it. { zero inflation, full employment, efficient capital allocation }
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Posted by: revhappy
On: July 11 2017 02:44 PM
[QUOTE=vaibha4096;n2532519]Interesting : [url]http://reports.ambitcapital.com/reports/Ambit_AsiaMoney2017_AmbitOurbiggestmistakesoverthepast12months_11Jul2017.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] Useless broker. They made many people lose their money and they are bold enough to ask them to be rated as best broker?
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Posted by: revhappy
On: July 11 2017 02:53 PM
[QUOTE=TruthSeeker1;n2532637] with that money you will get about pocket sized half kg gold bar...if you bought silver it would all fit in standard bank locker... goldmoney.com they will store it for you in allocated storage..if you don't want to and insist only in electronic form.. they have option of delivery as well... there are ETF like PHYS,PSLV that are allocated trusts... so there are better ways than buying futures with bankwardation and contango risks... coming to storage: there was a spot exchange in India that went bankrupt defrauding investors called NSEL... because they were selling contracts like kappas, cotton etc with nothing backing them along with gold and silver... no one was taking delivery , changing hands was some paper until one day its all came crashing down all all big counter parties defaulted on their promise to deliver.... its was 6000 crore scam... entire exchange just went belly up...many people have been left hanging as they invested in commodities via that exchange... i bought silver on the same exchange trusting it just like you did because you know we don't want to store it blah blah... at the end the only thing that they actually had were gold and silver...every thing else was defaulted on by the exchange .... i was lucky enough to get delivery of my metal which at that time was not a lot... this was the situation of spot market, imagine futures which are by design counterpart contracts with over leveraged big banks playing games of hot potato... SO no one can store Corn / OIL for you that is why you buy stuff you can store easily or have stored easily... GOLD and silver... [url]http://www.livemint.com/Companies/tqpCgjzO75ndjk45SYnm3I/NSEL-scam-CBI-accuses-Jignesh-Shah-of-cheating-criminal-co.html[/url] so what i am saying is based on sound experience... [/QUOTE] Man, you seem to get yourself in trouble too often, inspite of your over cautiousness, like you were caught on the wrong foot on demon. I guess bad luck. The thing is since your approach is so unorthodox and opposite to 99.9% of the population. If you win, you will be the only man standing and everyone else will be dead. Is there any use of being the only man standing alive when everyone is dead? Now thing about the other result, if your prediction becomes wrong for whatever reason, you will be the only one dead and nobody will even notice, you will become a joke just like that Ambit guy Saurabh Mukherjea. I am not saying in a derogatory or negative way. I am just saying going against the crowd is a very very high risk game.
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Posted by: TruthSeeker1
On: July 11 2017 03:20 PM
[QUOTE=revhappy;n2532695] Man, you seem to get yourself in trouble too often, inspite of your over cautiousness, like you were caught on the wrong foot on demon. I guess bad luck. The thing is since your approach is so unorthodox and opposite to 99.9% of the population. If you win, you will be the only man standing and everyone else will be dead. Is there any use of being the only man standing alive when everyone is dead? Now thing about the other result, if your prediction becomes wrong for whatever reason, you will be the only one dead and nobody will even notice, you will become a joke just like that Ambit guy Saurabh Mukherjea. I am not saying in a derogatory or negative way. I am just saying going against the crowd is a very very high risk game.[/QUOTE] Rev you know my portfolio is about 4cr aged 32... I dint get here just like that.. I made mistakes but i learn quickly... I lost only once when i tried to do what the 99% did that is buy real-estate .... then the second time is when trusted the gov regulators with NSEL which till that point was fastest growing spot market exchange in India.. in that case i came out unscathed but was a pain in the ass to get the delivery out of the defunct exchange... but i got valuable experience now the minute i see a pozi scam i cry out loud more often than not i am right ... In Investing every one will look like a fool at some time... if you don't buy at market peek people will call you a fool for missing out... and people will again call you a fool for loosing the money when it crashes... but its better to look like a fool who missed out than be the fool who lost his money... anyway my suggestion is that you do buy some physical at-least... and commodities should be owned separately so you call sell what moves up and buy what goes down separately... its not like stock market where most go up and down with tie of liquidity. Non monetary commodities like agri don't go up in tandem with precious metals all the time... precious metals are the crisis hedge not soabean and corn...
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Posted by: revhappy
On: July 11 2017 03:45 PM
[USER="160547"]TruthSeeker1[/USER] , I am not doubting your ability to earn money. Without any doubt a person with intellectual ability like you will do well in the earning part. My comment was only about you unconventional way of treating money.
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Posted by: revhappy
On: July 11 2017 03:51 PM
That Saurabh Mukherjea also is an expert from London School of Economics. Still he got it totally screwed up by predicting too much doom.
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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 06:11 PM
[QUOTE=revhappy;n2532724]That Saurabh Mukherjea also is an expert from London School of Economics. Still he got it totally screwed up by predicting too much doom. [/QUOTE] what doom ? may be for the western world. Indian markets won't be impacted by what happens in West .. understand the SEBI directive..
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Posted by: neokewl
On: July 11 2017 06:13 PM
Short covering going on day 2 , as expected.. Nifty hits 9827 before pulling back { profit booking i suspect }. FII F&O Stats As on 11 JULY'17(in crs) Net BUY : + 2085 Index Future : + 94 Index Option : + 866 [B]Stock Future : + 1073[/B] Stock Option : + 52
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Posted by: sriraj00
On: July 12 2017 12:21 AM
[QUOTE=TruthSeeker1;n2532637] with that money you will get about pocket sized half kg gold bar...if you bought silver it would all fit in standard bank locker... goldmoney.com they will store it for you in allocated storage..if you don't want to and insist only in electronic form.. they have option of delivery as well... there are ETF like PHYS,PSLV that are allocated trusts... so there are better ways than buying futures with bankwardation and contango risks... coming to storage: there was a spot exchange in India that went bankrupt defrauding investors called NSEL... because they were selling contracts like kappas, cotton etc with nothing backing them along with gold and silver... no one was taking delivery , changing hands was some paper until one day its all came crashing down all all big counter parties defaulted on their promise to deliver.... its was 6000 crore scam... entire exchange just went belly up...many people have been left hanging as they invested in commodities via that exchange... i bought silver on the same exchange trusting it just like you did because you know we don't want to store it blah blah... at the end the only thing that they actually had were gold and silver...every thing else was defaulted on by the exchange .... i was lucky enough to get delivery of my metal which at that time was not a lot... this was the situation of spot market, imagine futures which are by design counterpart contracts with over leveraged big banks playing games of hot potato... SO no one can store Corn / OIL for you that is why you buy stuff you can store easily or have stored easily... GOLD and silver... [url]http://www.livemint.com/Companies/tqpCgjzO75ndjk45SYnm3I/NSEL-scam-CBI-accuses-Jignesh-Shah-of-cheating-criminal-co.html[/url] so what i am saying is based on sound experience... [/QUOTE] what would you suggest to buy if i want to buy gold (i mean other than physical) or basket of commodities? Something like ETF in Singapore? I am considering buying couple of tolas of gold in few weeks
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